Other cases of TSI engines defects

Browsing the internet for finding a cause of my problem, i found some VAG cars users that had serious problems with these engines.


1.

One of them is this post HERE.

The thing that got my attention was:

A) Piston Rings

After it was finally admitted in late 2011 that there was a problem leading to engine failure(bearing in mind the engine came out in 2010), SEAT offered customers new piston rings.
Actually, what they were doing was fitting completely new pistons. It was VW trying to delude the customer that it was a minor piston ring batch problem rather than a major piston design problem.
In truth, its the pistons that were weak full stop and couldn’t handle much punishment before they failed. The specific problem was that the part of the piston between the rings used to crack and then come away, damaging the piston rings and eating into the cylinder bores* (although these have proven to be very strong due to being plasma coated).
There have been examples of totally standard cars having piston failure and these tend to be early cars with the original ignition hardware and OEM ECU software. Then when you add an ECU map you are bound to have a failure.
When these pistons crack, oil consumption is increased as it enters the combustion chamber, also lowering the effective octane value of the fuel being injected**. This is not the only reason for oil consumption and equally the culprit is the turbocharger, especially on cars with aftermarket exhausts. I will talk about that later.
Its easy to blame the pistons but its not the whole story. If the car was used for daily driving and not running massive amounts of boost, there’s no reason why these pistons should be put under such an amount of punishment that it would result in failure……..unless there are other contributing issues, which there are. Read on………

Solution: Revised pistons 2012 onwards and come as standard in the CTHE/CTHF engine codes.

Cracked piston of 1.2 TSI

NO.1 – this is mine

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NO. 2 – this ain’t mine, but it looks exactly the same with mine, right?

* – As you can see in the image in the right (NO.1), the problem extends to 1,2 TSi engines, not only to 1.4 TSI.

 

 

** – If this is true, i must say that before the damage on my engine happened, the oil consumption increased to up to 1L of engine oil at 8000kms, but because in the maintenance book was written that a consumption of 1L every 5000kms is normal on some engines.

 

 

Can you believe that the image NO.2 it is not mine and it is borrowed from HERE? Use Google Translate so you can understand the problem of that user.

 

 

 

 

LE: i’ve found another similar broken piston HERE. See Img NO.3

NO.3

NO.3


2.

A worrying case is this with a Fabia, HERE.

An user posted: “If the car has full service history, then it sounds to me that there has been a manufacturing defect, in which case it may be covered 100% by EU law for up to 6 years.”

Good to know: “The price*** is for a factory-reconditioned engine, with 2 year guarantee. “A new one would be much more”.

*** – “Skoda will give 30% discount off cost of motor, workshop will give 50% off labour. Proposed cost: about £2200 / 2700 Euros.”

Other user said:  “I have a colleague of mine who drives a 2006 VW Golf V 1.4Tsi Gt with 102.000Km on clock and a month ago had his engine replaced with a brand new engine totally free of charge. The engine had a cracked piston and they told his that this was not caused by his driving attitude but it was a defect of the engine.” Well, it looks that VW recognizes this problem.


 

3.

Some unhappy 1.2 TSI Octavia users from Romania made a written letter on the wall of Skoda’s Facebook page.


4.

From this blog I took the picture above that i said it ain’t mine.

From there i learnt that this engine has about three versions of chains. Three!!!


 5.

Some users  talking about oil consumption of 1.2 TSI HERE, but not very complete discussion.


 6.

About  timing chain that has jumped off HERE.


 7.

Destroyed engine HERE



 

8.

A SEAT Leon 1.2 TSI owner has had to pay a lot of money  after chain jump and engine destroyed HERE. Use Translator again.

Remanufactured engine and parts bill

Remanufactured engine and parts bill

Labor bill

Labor bill

Secondpicture is the labor price. The price is in romanian money. To calculate use this: 1 Euro is about 4.4 RON/LEI, so we talk of a 1174 Euros labor bill.

First picture is the price of all components. Here only the engine’s price is 2017 Euros. Not to mention the other components’ expenses.

So for a VAG engine you’d pay other 3200 Euro at least to have a working car. And maybe you need an engine every two years?

 

9.

In italian about engine replacement codes HERE

03F 100 091

 10.

Lately I received this comment from Joao Preto Paulo:

Hi,
It’s a misfortune to find this discussion, because it means I’m searching for problems similar to mine in order to write a complaint letter to Volkswagen.

Last day 26/November, my 1.4 TSI from a 2007 Touran failed, and after sent to a VW dealer it seams that the cause is a broken piston and piston rings. The engine was 91.330km and during nine and a half years it was used mainly for short local rides.

This happened just 230km after a water pump replacement and 6000km after the timing chain replacement, that despite of my complaints as been said by the serviced dealer that this was normal for a 90.000 engine. Crap talking!!!

Now I understand why my car had such an oil consumption specially when occasionally was making a long highway trip and the oil level lamp turned on. Last year I even put 2L of oil between two annual services (less than 10.000km) When asking the dealer for this oil consumption they always told me that it should be normal. Again crap talking!!

My car is on a local Volkswagen dealership, and after diagnosed the broken piston problem they gave me a 7.150€ budget for the engine replacement and working man hours, and it seems that Volkswagen it is not assuming any fault and sharing costs, despite I already had some information saying that they did so in previous cases.

Since those cases exists I suppose it should exist a number for an investigation case under Volkswagen development area in which they have found and admitted the fault. Any one have that information?

Thank you, body, for your comment. And I also thank  to all which will add their problem here.

Off-topic:

a)

A case of a bad manufacturing component read HERE.

b)

Another case of GDI engine carbon build-up:

Since I bought my 2008.5 Jetta with the 2.0 TSI (GDI engine) with 42,000 miles on it I was taking a chance with possibly having the carbon issue. After much reading, the TSI was not supposed to have the issue as bad as the previous FSI engine so I figured I was safe.

Well,  then check the pictures i posted with my engine and you can see a lot of carbon build-up at only 68.500kms.

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37 thoughts on “Other cases of TSI engines defects

  1. Hello, I was wondering if you know something about the new 1.2 tsi 110hp, CJZD engine? We want to buy a new skoda rapid with this engine and I’m afraid, after all I read, we will make a mistake.

    Thank you very much

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    • Hello there!

      When the newly designed 1.2TSI was released a problem that emerged was losing oil because one hose was heating excessively then melting. I understood the issue was fixed.

      Anyway I do not have any experience with the new engine and I barely saw it on a Seat Leon.

      I strongly suggest you to google about it some time, before making the buy. Also search on forum in Asia, Russia and use Google Translate to have a clue about what they are talking. You may find interesting things.

      If I would knew that the 1.2 TSI would have no problems at all, I guess I would buy again a car with this engine again.

      But do not be fooled and believe that if a problem happened to someone else it shall not emerge to you too, beacuse you’ll take care of the car.

      Succes!

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  2. I have a 2012 VW TOURAN 1.2TSI which is very heavy on fuel, anybody else experiencing the same thing or know of what the cause of this may be?

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    • Hello!
      By “heavy on fuel” do you mean a high fuel consumption? If yes, give me some numbers.
      I believe your car should have a higher fuel consumption due to the car’s weight and for a higher load the engine makes a bigger effort to move your car.
      Have in mind that my Ibiza was about 1195 kgs and to have a low consumption results I had to be pretty careful with the gas pedal.
      But reasons for a high fuel consumption are a lot, like some mechanical problems.
      Hope it’s not the case.

      Good night, mate!

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      • Hi,

        I’m having a similar problem, the computer fuel range & fuel gauge showing empty. However when I fill up with fuel its only filing up to 40-45L for a 60L tank. What can the issue be? No signs of Fuel leakage or Fumes.

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  3. I have a 2014 model Seat Leon 1.2 . It has 7412 km on the car and we bought the car on 20.08.2014. I have heard a noise and left the car to the service.On 22th of december servis told us THE ENGİNE HAS A PROBLEM AND THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THE ENGİNE. We didn’t want them to change the engine because it is a production problem (as service say). I wanted my money back ( or a new car). We went to court to sue the distributor of Seat in Turkey. I am still waiting for the decision. Well the brand didn’t even care my emails, phone calls.. I give zero to Seat’s costumer satisfaction grade 🙂 sorry about my english 🙂

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    • Hello, mate!
      I am sorry to hear that. I believe you are talking about the second edition of the 1.2 TSI, without chain. Very sad!
      As I know they are forced to change your car if you have a defect that can not be repaired after three attempts.
      I do not want to discourage you, but I believe it is also a good options to change your engine with a new one. Why not if they offered that?
      Hope to hear good news from you!
      Good evening!

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  4. Hello,
    Thank you very much.. i am from Turkey, and here if the car’s engine has changed the price of your car decreases a lot when you try to sell it.. that was my problem 🙂

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  5. Hello

    I have a 1.2 tsi seat Ibiza FR 15 plate and at the end of Feb 16 I was parked outside a friends house engine running, it was upto temp and the car juddered nearly cutting out but didn’t and when I drove home I had no turbo ( loss of power) and a rattling noise, it’s been on and off for 4 months dealer says it’s normal but I know it’s not as my fuel consumption has doubled and the noise is still there some days it really loud and some it’s not but it sounds more like a diesel then a petrol I’m in a battle at the min with the dealer as I’m saying it’s not normal I just wanted to know if you have come across anything like this

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  6. Same problem with my polo 6R 2011. CBZB. 130’000 km. No pressure in 4cyl. With a camera inside i’ve discovered a pice of a piston was gone. Big problem, have to spend 2000 euros at least for a new engin. Suisse

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  7. Hi good day
    I have 1.2 polo tsi
    That unable to start up.
    I check v my Launch scanner found out show cam Pos sensor Range performance. (Status show passive abiogenesis)
    But when I remove the crank sensor it can start but v the Epc light on

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  8. Hi,
    It’s a misfortune to find this discussion, because it means I’m searching for problems similar to mine in order to write a complaint letter to Volkswagen.

    Last day 26/November, my 1.4 TSI from a 2007 Touran failed, and after sent to a VW dealer it seams that the cause is a broken piston and piston rings. The engine was 91.330km and during nine and a half years it was used mainly for short local rides.

    This happened just 230km after a water pump replacement and 6000km after the timing chain replacement, that despite of my complaints as been said by the serviced dealer that this was normal for a 90.000 engine. Crap talking!!!

    Now I understand why my car had such an oil consumption specially when occasionally was making a long highway trip and the oil level lamp turned on. Last year I even put 2L of oil between two annual services (less than 10.000km) When asking the dealer for this oil consumption they always told me that it should be normal. Again crap talking!!

    My car is on a local Volkswagen dealership, and after diagnosed the broken piston problem they gave me a 7.150€ budget for the engine replacement and working man hours, and it seems that Volkswagen it is not assuming any fault and sharing costs, despite I already had some information saying that they did so in previous cases.

    Since those cases exists I suppose it should exist a number for an investigation case under Volkswagen development area in which they have found and admitted the fault. Any one have that information?

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  9. Experienced the exact same with my VW Tiguan 1,4 TSI (dual charged). At first I thought it was bad injectors or over boosting, but those were ruled out. After reading this article, I went and inspected the other 3 pistons and yip… piston 3 had a cracking between oil rings and the bottom of the piston.
    Thank you for your article. Pity I found it now. I could have saved alot of money by skipping all the trouble shooting. My rebuild is about 60% complete already.

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  10. I also seem to use a lot of oil. 2013 1.2 golf. i’ve added 2 liters in 10000-12000 kilometers. I do however get about 48mpg(4.8per100) @ 80km/h and 41mpg(5.7per100) @ 100-120km/h. and that i’m happy with. I wonder if repairs are in my future. COLD car! it takes most of my drive to work to warm up inside on a Cold winters day.

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  11. Skoda Yeti 1.2 TSI , first registartion 4/2012., only 49200 km !!!!
    All inspections are done annually by authorized service (PORSCHE Sarajevo)
    Already, in March 2016. the chain and the corresponding accessories replaced, as skoda accepted these cost as their obligation toward the customer. Skoda accepted this repair becouse they confirm this failure is manufactory error !
    Has anyone already had next case?

    Skoda YETI 1.2 TSI nockenwelle_camshaft_bregasta osovina_DAMAGED
    Skoda did not accept costs for this repair!
    Even camshaft has cost almost 558 euro + work!
    My opinion, Škoda should bear the costs for this obviosly manufactory failure!

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  12. Hello everybody, I’m about to buy a VW POLO 2013 with the 1.2 TSI engine and the DSG transmission. It has 40000 km and the engine sounds smooth just like new. it belongs to an Mr. who seems to drive carefully and slow. I wanted to know if this engine is willing to have certain problems or not. Is it the first or the second generation of this engine or how can I know this? Im from Mexico
    Thank you so much

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  13. Hi all, interesting but scare read here on the 1.2tsi engine.
    I have a 1.2 tfsi in my 2015 A3 with 81kW/110PS, is this the same engine as discussed here the 1.2 TSI? and if same why did audi rename

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    • Hello mate.
      Write here the engine code that is written in the registration document. 1st version of the engine was CBZB/A. Your should be different. If yes, you don’t have a chain.

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  14. Hi everyone,
    Can anyone confirm if the currently sold 1.0 tsi and 1.2 tsi skoda engines still have issues (late 2017, 2018), or if it’s been addressed?

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  15. Seat Ibiza 2012 1.2 tsi I went to the car opened door sat inside I started the car and 2 seconds later the car cut out and now will not start, is there any one who can tell me what is wrong with it please would really appreciate it it’s is a uk car with 30.000 miles and before this gave no problems what’s so ever

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  16. Seat Ibiza 2012 1.2 tsi I went to the car opened door sat inside I started the car and 2 seconds later the car cut out and now will not start, is there any one who can tell me what is wrong with it please would really appreciate it it’s is a uk car with 30.000 miles and before this gave no problems what’s so ever.

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  17. Seat Ibiza 2012 1.2 tsi I went to the car opened door sat inside I started the car and 2 seconds later the car cut out and now will not start, is there any one who can tell me what is wrong with it please would really appreciate it it’s is a uk car with 30.000 miles and before this gave no problems what’s so ever

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  18. Hello,

    I am about to buy a skoda fabia monte carlo 2012 TSI 105HP (77KW). The vin number is TMBEN25J5D3050224.
    Can you tell me if this one is affected by the listed problems too ? 😥
    Thank you

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    • Hello there! I wouldn’t know that. Anyway check car’s history service book and make some tests at a service you trust the mechanic.
      Because I sold the car, I wasn’t interested any more about the evolution of this engine.

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